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oresama
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« on: October 02, 2005, 07:02:45 PM »

I haven't seen a post on it yet...but has any noticed the parallels between Johan and Hitler?

1) The first parallel thats a bit obvious but hidden is the fact that Johan should have died when he was a child.  Had Tenma had not of operated on Johan, he would have died and all the trouble that has now happened because of Tenma's decision is coming back to haunt him as well as many others.
1) Hitlers mother was considering an abortion when she was pregnant with him.  If Hitlers mother had follwed through with the abortion, it's very likely that the holocaust and every other action of Hitlers destruction would not have ever happened.

2) Many politicians have noticed the potential in Johan to attract people and are giving him tons of attention and support, all thinking that they have Johan on their side, but as stated in the anime, Johan hates everyone and every politician trying to use him is very wrong and it's coming back at them.
2) When Hitler was rising to power, tons of high offical politicans saw the potential in him and wanted to use him.  They gave him even more power thinking he would simply be the facade of Germany and they would be pulling the strings.  Obviously, they were all very wrong and many, even those who were close to Hitler, were killed by Hitlers orders.

3) Johan has many kids doing what he tells them, psychotic, deadly games.  Why would any normal kid do this, wouldn't they all have to have some disorder already?  No.  It's hypnosis.  No, not the type you see with a watch and "You're getting very sleepy.." but a perfect play of concealing your intentions, playing to the sympathies of others and manipulating them to do whatever it is you say and believe whatever you say to be truth.  All the kids are orphans, people who are lost and looking for someone to guide them, they're very vulnerable and willing to accept Johan and anything he says.  Though in the end, all he did was lead them into their own destruction.
3) During Hitlers rise to power, Germany was in very bad shape.  He promised the people that he would pull the country out of the horrible state it was in and rebuild it into the only super-power in the world.  He promised to create jobs, promised to make everything in the country better for those who were lost and needed guidance.  Through propganda and lies, Hitler manipulated and did what is now called "Mass Hypnosis".  He made all the people of Germany believe in him, gave them false hopes of power and a better future.  In the end, he only lead them into destruction.  This leads into my next parallel...

4) A bit less obvious is the fact that Johan is very attractive.  Everyone sees him and thinks he must be some wonderful person; a blessing from above.  On the inside, he is nothing but evil and destruction, full of bad intentions on the inside.
4) Hitler made Germany into a beautiful country.  Any where you looked, which was of course controlled by where Hitler wanted you to look, was beautiful.  The country had beautiful buildings, beautiful houses, gardens, mansions, everything.  Though, no one occupied those houses, tended those gardens or any of the such.  The country was still far from perfect none of Hitlers promises were ever given to the people.  They still suffered in poverty and were starving.  While he was openly torturing the Jews, his own "people" were no better off, still suffering the same fate, if not worse of being abandoned.
(If you're unclear of this one, in essence, Johan's being parallels what Germany was during Hitlers reign.  Beautiful outside, horrible inside.)

I'll state my conclusion here before the last parallel I'll state.  The last one is a spoiler so do not read below this next paragraph if you've not read the whole manga.

The genius behind Monster is in the fact that its so well hidden, but every aspect of Johans being is directly related to Hitler.  Even characters in the story can be linked to people around Hitler.  The most apparent, Tenma.  Tenma realized his mistake in letting Johan live and wants to fix it.  Do you not think Hitlers mother wanted to possibly do the same thing when she realized the "Monster" she had brought into the world?  Johan has many politicians after him, thinking that by giving him the power he wants, they have him in their lap to do their bidding.  It's too late for them to realize how wrong they are, just as it was for those who threw Hitler the power he wanted.

Oh...I won't write it, but give you this last thought.  Look closely at my parallels between Johan and Hitler.  Take out the name Hitler and put George Bush.  Of course not all actions, but many are similar.  You can easily make tons of parallels between Bush and Hitler; nearly direct ones.  But that's a whole other discussion...




Note that the next parallel I'm going to state is a HUGE spoiler, so if you've not read the entire Manga, STOP READING NOW!!


[spoiler]5) Towards the end of the manga, it's revealed that Johan's intention are nothing of what we saw or thought but that he's wanting to set up the "perfect suicide".  In the wake of it all, he's taking down whoever else he can with him.
5) Hitler did very much the same thing though it may not have been his intentions all along.  He rose to power quickly and did commit suicide, wether it was planned or he impulsive when he realized his empire was rapidly falling is unknown.[/spoiler]


Edit:  I went ahead and hid the 5th point behind spoiler tags so that it's not as easy to spot if you're planning on replying to this topic.  --jalana
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jc1979af
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« Reply #1 on: October 04, 2005, 06:14:10 AM »

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1) Hitlers mother was considering an abortion when she was pregnant with him. If Hitlers mother had follwed through with the abortion, it's very likely that the holocaust and every other action of Hitlers destruction would not have ever happened.


What is also odd is that all of Adolph's brothers/sisters were killed off by childhood diseases, excet for him and his sister, Paula.

Paula also distanced herself from Adolph and took the last name of Wolf

Paula Wolf
Hilter's headquaters:  The Wolf's Den

The person who discovered Johan:  General Wolf

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« Reply #2 on: October 17, 2005, 12:43:38 AM »

Infant mortality was a lot higher in those days - especially when you lived in the country (Hitler's dad Alois was some civil servant at the austrian border, they had to move a lot) - so this isn't something that spectacular.

That his sister distanced himself from him is just not true. Hitler was all his life trying to cover his tracks from the past (e.g. some of his old schoolfellows just 'disappeared') and to keep his personal life off the record (Eva Braun was only known to few people as his girlfriend - she didn't become famous until after her death). Same thing with his sister. He didn't want a public to know about her and maybe she even was someone he cared about (but as he officially had changed his past in his book and several speeches and essays it's more likely that he did want to seperate her from a public which could ask her about his sources) - but they were not apart: For some time she even worked for him in Obersalzberg under false name (which seems to have been his idea) as a housekeeper.

Wolf btw was one of Hitler's nicknames, one which he actually liked himself - so he used derivations of it in several places.
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« Reply #3 on: January 12, 2006, 04:09:18 PM »

Very nice.  A clear, but yet chilling analysis.
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Mamo-kun
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« Reply #4 on: May 09, 2006, 10:50:17 AM »

what about the sacrifices both made and 511 Kinderheim/Hitler's Jugend and stuff like that ;p


Oh yeah Johan has blonde hairs and blue eyes, the "perfect race" ...
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« Reply #5 on: May 11, 2006, 04:40:59 AM »

Quote from: oresama
Take out the name Hitler and put George Bush.  Of course not all actions, but many are similar.  You can easily make tons of parallels between Bush and Hitler; nearly direct ones.


That's true, but it's not because they both are some ominous individuals — it's because both of them acted in times of war, and that way of acting is very different from acting in times of peace. (Suicide allusions here are quite appropriate). War is some kind of mass neurosis, and you can't judge neurotic people in terms of perfect sanity; there is only one way of dealing with them — psychoanalysis and treatment, not cornering and labeling.
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